But now when I read verses like this one in 3 Nephi 28:7 and at that day they were to be received into the kingdom of the Father to go no more out, but to dwell with God eternally in the heavens. I have greater understanding with the doctrine of multiple probations. I am forever grateful to you both and for your ability to enlighten ME!! John 9:2 And as the head of our creation under the Father, it is Jesus who will be head in the next creation the way the father is. There is always hope in Christ.
Multiple Mortal Probations Article - Page 11 - LDS Freedom Forum These ware resurrected Bodies, Violated the Celestial laws.
Chad Daybell's strange end-times beliefs are not Mormon theology, says May God bless you too. This teaching was perhaps even canonized as, "This is eternal livesto know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. Thank you for reading this essay.
An offshoot of the Mormon church is drawing away members. But what does I like you, have had a sure witness even as I am writting this that it is true. I'm very pleased and honored to have this opportunity to meet and worship with you on this special occasion. I love your testimony of the clearer elements of this beautiful doctrine Eric.
10 Crazy Little-Known Rules of Mormon Life - Listverse I too grew up knowing that Reincarnation was/ is a false doctrine, but also grew up in a culture that taught that those who made mistakes and took their guilt from said mistakes to their grave without repentance or forgiveness were eternally assigned to a lower Kingdom of Glory, only to be visited by friends and family members in higher kingdoms. We and our partners store and/or access information on a device, such as cookies and process personal data, such as unique identifiers and standard information sent by a device for personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, and audience insights, as well as to develop and improve products. Though I was a member of the church since I was young, I can relate to your experience. According to the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, as. about the doctrine, but it is important to me. Im so grateful for you, Greg, Matt and Julie for your conviction and witnesses of the Truth! Others feel if it were
Probation, Probationary - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Write a discussion post in which you do the following: Write a summary of the innovative idea that includes the following: A description of the innovation you chose. I feel like this life is equivalent to a year in school and I am in 5th grade. Lori Vallow Daybell's older sister became the latest family member to testify against her sibling at the "doomsday cult" mom's ongoing murder trial in the 2019 slayings of her two children. I would comment but feel it is too sacred. Now of course I think Brigham came to understand it the way you suggest.
The Strange Saga of a False Prophet: Charles W. Stayner, Orson F - FAIR Further because the arguments depend upon misreadings and often lack explicit texts its pretty circumstantial arguments at their strongest. Growing up in the Church, I had the same impressions as you regarding our exaltation.
James J. Strang - Mormonism, The Mormon Church, Beliefs, & Religion I love that you point our how the Ninth Article of Faith apples to all who earnestly and humbly seek the truth, and not for just a select few. a new area shows as that there has to be also an end of another time also a wording of that multiple times.. or multiple probations.. known to me. Im glad you feel that way Kendall. As it is now, one could easily conclude God respects persons, because some of us clearly get benefits others never had. Ensign, October 2017, 64-71. I experienced a baptism of fire when I was only 14 years old and it has sustained me my entire life. Cheryl. Thank you for putting our thoughts into words of deeper understanding. were transfigured before him. Not sure if that group is still active anymore.
Multiple Probations - A Divine Doctrine - Doctrinal Essays honestly I never thought of this doctrine before I crossed your podcast. Essentially, we are private individuals freely exercising the right to discuss doctrinal opinions, and to bear witness of things we feel to be true. Here's another one from the New Testament people use to support reincarnation: What I was looking forward to about eternity was the end of suffering. It felt right to me but the opposition was so strong and vociferous I proceeded with caution. For example, Apostle Heber C. Kimball compared several days of a man continuously working on a project to several successive probations of the same person working on a project: Some have said that it has to do with having more children and posterity. Answer (1 of 5): The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a book called Preach My Gospel, which is an official guide for missionaries. D&C 88 dates to 1833, which is long before JS was revealing/discussing reincarnation related doctrine. nature. The thought of using this I agree, in part. (I havent read everything what was posted about that themeso I am sorry if I repeat things that you already mentioned.).
Denver Snuffer Jr. - Wikipedia Now the doctrine of multiple probations brings me great peace. When I was young, I was given a true, but what I now But as I have contemplated his question, I have come to know we still need a Savior because it is through His atonement and grace that we can even have multiple probations and be resurrected in the first place. You know that the LDS church doesn't even believe in past lives, or "multiple probations", and there is a long list of other problematic ideas that Chad, Julie, Lori and the rest cooked up that is not in accordance to LDS doctrine. They in turn did it by proxy for Joseph and Hyrum Smith. I feel a longing and hope that I can learn and progress for as long as I choose to without time limits. Besides the Laub's record of JS' comment on the Holy Ghost in his summary of the Sermon on the Grove, there is an additional JS comment recorded by Franklin D. Richards in August, 1843, not that long before the King Follett Sermon. The is it confuses the radical contingency Mormon theology grants God in his being (rather than being a necessary being) with a God whodoesfall. It would be very helpful to me, if you could share scripture references for multiple probations. For others, it has given meaning and The Godhead was a different blessing from Godhood. Because I do just that I have grown closer to the Savior and because I study scripture, I have more enlightenment and understanding of truth. Alaris DRAFT. ??? Prescendia Huntington Buell (later Kimball) also affirmed her belief in "plural probations," referring to a statement "in confirmation" by her polyandrous husband Joseph Smiths. When I first heard this doctrine I felt a rush come over me that is hard to understand and explain. the merciful God of second chances I have since come to know and believe in. we are saviors in a derived sense in which we preach the gospel. This implication is emphasized by JS' teachings on identifying angels vs. evil spirits (found in D&C), which he taught on multiple occasions, maybe 5 or 6 times, before and after the Nauvoo endowment had been administered. It is grasped in a such a powerful symbol the baptism. Hearing experiences like yours along with Erics and Julies really helps me. We know this to be true ! Just being made perfect from the get-go isn't something special. God bless you. I know the doctrine has come to me, and indeed to many hundreds (if not It is time to live in faith not fear. I always look forward to your writings and know you speak truth. Scriptures General Conference Come, Follow Me Gospel Library Media Library Music Library Life Help Inspiration. assigned to a kingdom of glory, whether Telestial, Terrestrial, or Celestial, visionary, who can discern spirits, or who possess extraordinary compassion,
Multiple Mortal Probations Article - Page 9 - LDS Freedom Forum I have so many follow up questions!!
The Probationary Test of Mortality - LDS Scripture Teachings Also, I defer to board rules and won't discuss the specifics of the endowment, but there is a very strong implication in there that, at the very least, resurrected beings can shed their resurrected forms somehow and experience another mortal probation. Why he went and took a body and went to redeem a world in the flesh and had power to lay down his life and to take it up again.". Her experience helps to counter some of the false beliefs we have about suicide. There is a humbling reward in the sense of Fathers confidence in me, The very idea of reincarnation which we know to be a false doctrine- tells us that there is its opposite- which would be Multiple Mortal Probations. Like Lehi who partook of the fruit of the tree of life and who immediately wanted to share it with his family, the fruits of the doctrine have been delicious to me, and I have also wanted to share it. Eric, There is just too much to experience for once to be enough.
Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ Discussing Last Days Prophecies What follows is a thesis on the controversial doctrine from the 19th century referred to as multiple mortal probations, which fell out of favor along with Adam-God. May you find Him now. As the recent Carston, your witness Of these things strengthens my own. ("Scriptural Items," F. D. Richards, August 27, 1843 . I know Julie Rowe has been a source for many. It's my guess that JS believed that heirs of the Celestial Kingdom would not only serve as Christs, but first they would serve as Holy Ghosts. The thrill is gone. The pattern and symbolism is unmistakable! Unfortunately, the divine version of the doctrine has not, and may not soon receive the proper attention and audience it deserves. The LDS church teaches the Pauline principle of many degrees in heaven. I realize that is heretical and blasphemous to TBM ears, butit makes way more sense to me than what the church proposes. It looks to me like they just misunderstood what Joseph was teaching. Thats a great question, Diane, and an important thing to define. Since I hardly want to finish this round, I definitely don't want to do "multiple mortal probations." their state became a state of probation, 2 Ne. So, each new life gives a clean slate, while maintaining our spiritual essence and disposition and propensity for good or evil. LDS sharing their beliefs about what the mysteries is hardly a breaking of the rules. Promised wives, seed without number, be full partaker with Abraham, Isaac., and Jacob. Anyways, it soon became apparent that his fruits were not matching what I knew to be honest and true from my own scripture study, and beliefs. I did not need to ask our Lord and Savior if what I heard was true, just as Joseph Smith seen God the Father and Jesus Christ and Could not deniy it, I stand as a witness of the same thruths declared. We speak so easily about the baptism. Third, there were a lot of other early LDS, some apostles as well who lived closer in time and proximity to Joseph Smith who believed in "multiple mortal probations." Multiple Probations: A Lost Doctrine Remembered Aug 11, 2022. by Eric Smith . I simply found that it merited investigation. I thank you and all of those who are trying to teach about Multiple Probation. It was like having a deep spiritual sigh while being purged of a host of simplistic, faulty, misleading, worrisome beliefs I had never recognized were dragging me down. That is there is a certain form that Elijah participates in as part of being a person. I am not sure how most people have become exposed to this doctrine. But in the essay I kept hoping for a more in depth explanation of why and how this could be considered LDS doctrine. In 1786, a guy named John Zephaniah Holwell published a tract called "Dissertation on the Origin of Intelligent Beings, and on Divine Providence".I recommend it to anybody curious about the ideas of a premortal existence, war in heaven, plan of salvation, opposition in all things, infant baptism, free agency, multiple mortal probations, etc. are so advanced in their abilities and gifts from birth, such as music, art, Mormons Believe that Christ, Heavenly Father, and the Holy Ghost are Separate Beings. On a side note, I tried to present and explain it to my husband and the first thing he said was if it is true, then why would we even need a Savior? through contrasts. I no longer depended on him to get us there. This idea lines up nicely with JS' late teaching that the Sons of God who married the daughters of men in Genesis were resurrected beings who violated celestial laws (see quotation in OP), and, of course, it all lines up with JS' teachings about exaltation to exaltation in his comments about the Holy Ghost and God the Father in the King Follett Sermon, Sermon on the Grove, and other Nauvoo era comments. The Bible is ripe with evidence in this belief. From the above we can imply that JS believed that all Gods had served as Christs, that all heirs of the Celestial kingdom would serve as Christs as part of their progression from exaltation to exaltation, and that the Holy Ghost would also serve as a Christ. And we do have to think about possibilities, because eventually it leads to more firm answers, but we needn't think that every thing we think is automatically true. This can be meant spiritually or physically this two sides mirror each other. I now know for myself it is true doctrine. When I first heard of this I had some doubts, but as I read your words they ring true to my soul and it feels right.
Is the idea of "Multiple Mortal Probations" doctrine? - Ask Gramps The group is True LDS Deep Doctrines. The seriousness, the risk, and the glories of mortal life are undercut the moment one supposes he will have a million or more subsequent probations of the same sort. Having been so moved upon in the process of discovery, my friend Greg and I compiled a book called Multiple Probations which is a compilation of interesting history, supportive scriptures, and informative quotes from early authorities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are those who openly came into the presence of Christ and openly rejected what Christ is offering. May God continue to inspire you and bless you and your family, you are certainly blessings us! Some may ask why I or anyone else have been privileged to learn of these doctrines while others have not. It is exciting to be on the earth again in these last days and to participate in the ongoing Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ. . More significantly, JS' King Follett Sermon suggests that, after the resurrection, each heir to Godhood will eventually serve as a Christ in a mortal probation. Exactly Geri! Those Brothers and Sisters bore witness to me additionally of the Truth of multiple Probationary Earths, my witnesses are in the hundreds and I cannot deny them, Harold, thank you for sharing your special experience and witness. It reminds me again of Gods ever extended arm of mercy. What this may help to resolve is the issue that so many that have lived on this planet get no inkling of Christ and His gospel, and yet, we are told, faith in Christ and acceptance of his gospel are essential. My understanding is that much of the MMP arose out of the infusion of spiritualism in Utah as Saints primarily from England immigrated. church. Thomas asks if Zulema, Melanie Gibb, Lori were "very active" in the LDS Church. Bruce R. McConkie 1915-1985. What, when, and to whom those truths could come was left open-ended. Once this one is done, I will be satisfied with whatever modest reward it qualifies me for.
Multiple Probations: A Lost Doctrine Remembered - amazon.com Laman and Lemuel Were a Religious Product of their Day, The Right to Expression in the Kingdom of God, Light & Law #1 Two Laws For Every Kingdom, Women, Priesthood, and the Awful Monster of Traditional Belief, The Outer Vessel of King Noah and His Priests. I continue to find supporting evidence in scripture and temple ordinances. No wonder they were so arrogant. One should note that reincarnation in Kabbalism isn't reincarnation of a full person but is more akin to Platonic notions. I truly appreciate your time and great efforts in doctrinal essays and your wonderful books. Without a previous life, how could the blind man commit a sin responsible for his handicap, as the man was blind from birth? It is hard to feel like you live in a closet and that church has been a lonely experience at times. Heather, I love that name for it. This process answers many other gospel centered questions. The fact there is no scripture or officially declared doctrine stating multiple mortal probations is false is absolutely an evidence in the doctrine's favor. I enjoyed your book very much and reading your essay just now is when I felt enveloped in the calmest, loving peace, and knowing that bore witness that this additional knowledge is indeed true. That is a place of their glory or what they're willing to accept. The new day starts at a moment no one can see very much (its a kind of a hope). For me, if I get caught in thinking that something I say or do will be that which saves or enlightens you, I am in dangerous territory. We welcome comments of all kinds on this blog and feel that people should be free to debate and discuss the topics in accordance with their personal views, so long as it is done in a courteous and respectful manner. Mahalo for your light, your love for truth, and your love for us all! However this is no profound than all cows participating in the form of cowness for Platonists. I want to move forward and progress to the next grade. and so I can testify that the doctrine of multiple probations is true doctrine. The more I know the more I am constrained to announce The Glory of God and my own unworthiness before He Who Is Mighty To Save. Thank you Eric. He has some ideas that are popular among Snufferites (such as some version of multiple mortal probations). This thesis explains a bunch of odd data points and suggests a straightforward explanation for the origin of Adam-God. Kevin, I know that feeling! You had to have been proven, and earned this Title. Thanks for sharing! How unsearchable are the depths of the mysteries of him; and it is impossible that man should find out all his ways. You can learn more about it here . (And there are multiple forms - the form of being human, the form of being Jewish, the form of being a prophet, etc. Benjamin Seeker despite my human weakness. For some of us, the doctrine came along at a time we had Shapes and forms can not be seen, but you can hear, sense and feel things Sometimes it seems to be the part of the day where one is in despairBut at that point, where no light can be seen the new day is already beginningSometimes it feels like only the hope of the rising sun (son) will carry you to the first sunbeam And when the sun or the son, as you call it, starts rising there come new possibilities or perspectives along. Much love to you. The passage I was given is found in D&C 76 which also happens to be about the Mysteries of Godliness: D&C 76:41-44 It suggests that we find ourselves in endless cycles of creation, living and dying over and over, learning and progressing, ascending the ladder step-by-step until we eventually "get it right." In other words the only people that the Lord doesnt save eventually are those who DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED. To go no more out finally made sense; Old Souls (and we have have all known them or ARE one ) finally made sense. Especially that your own witness didnt come from a human. Whether or Not the LDS Church Could Fall into Apostasy; . Despite the comments and quoted references that say Joseph taught reincarnation, I do not see any of his doctrine that teaches it. When I hear the term applied to people other than Jesus I immediately think of Mosiah 15 and not MMP. Do you believe sealing ordinances still exist? Thanks for sharing your own experience, which is validating and comforting to know the Lord is answering many of His childrens questions!
Joseph Smith and multiple mortal probations - Reincarnation Forum Its like the chorus which follows the verse, giving the song power and unity.
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Reincarnation or Multiple Mortal Probations - FAIR multiple lives, which to me is practical and actually very simplistic in The pursuit of the souls perfection seems somehow lighter, brighter, and more assuredly attainable. I do hope this doctrine gives you and your family the hope you need. path, and between my Father in Heaven and me. I felt all three reading your post tonight. Receive ye, therefore, my law. I love you all and am thankful for the puzzle piece of truth each of you has to offer in my journey. How tragic! Blessings to all seekers. Elena, I hope you feel the sincerity of my heart when I say, I hear you! "sooner or later; they will be thrown back to the native element from which they originated, to be worked over again, and be prepared to enjoy some sort of a kingdom (glory)." Thank you for taking the time to read this and comment! However the spirit worked upon me and I was reminded that my biggest question as a child was Where did God come from? I used to spend hours thinking about it even until my brain hurt. Well what did the Father do? true, it should only come through certain lines of authority. That phrase indeed feels appropriate for the version of I only wish that I could have been here more than two times. Perhaps the clearest example of this is a statement recorded by Nauvoo saint, George Laub. Ok so if we are going to be Christs of other worlds then do we have to go through all the suffering Jesus went through in Gethsemane and on the cross? I don't deny one can read it that way, but the more natural reading is that in his first mortality the Father was Christ. This all adds up to only one conclusion in my mind, there is a way and a plan, and the fact that so many do not achieve their potential in a short life span, means there must be another time and place to prove themselves and the Doctrine of Multiple Probations is the only doctrine I see that provides a fair, and merciful means by which mankind may improve themselves line up line, precept upon precept enough to eventually become perfected in their own generations and exalted in all levels of Heaven. Multiple probations is not part of the doctrine of the Church, neither are we claiming that it is. See 1 Corinthians 15:40-44. Until I meet you.
8 of the Most Bizarre Mormon Beliefs - Purpose in Christ We invite you to share this with all those you know who might benefit from it. The thought that there could be no progression after judgment felt to contrast I have always know it to be true, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and have never doubted it, no, not even for a second. "And also they who are quickened by a portion of the telestial glory shall then receive of the same, even a fulness. And like those, here, before me have mentioned, this doctrine has brought more clarity, understanding of why I went through my own experiences in this probation. Question. I also believe that they want the best of everything for me and that I can become like them. Adam Although it had to be put on a shelf for a year or so when I first heard about it, the Fringe Doctrine of Multiple Mortal Probations has answered many of my questions about Christ, our Father and Mother, the Noble and Great Ones, the 144,000, the Olympians, Prophets of Old and of Latter Days, and the hope that my friends and family members still have if they choose not to forgive themselves and progress in THIS life! By It is a fairly new idea to me but seems entirely plausible. Great questions and important ones to ponder on. Some awesome people have been excommunicated. I started to realize that multiple probations is one of the big themes in the scriptures.
The Seven Deadly Heresies | Bruce R. McConkie | BYU Speeches Praise be to God and the Lamb!! Come what may; I believe what I believe, and if a mans belief, though strange, is cause for punishment or ridicule from anyone, which is the greater sin? "And also they who are quickened by a portion of the telestial glory shall then receive of the same, even a fulness. the doctrine that has circulated these recent events. I love converts, and you have reminded me that the convert enthusiasm for new truth should never die in our hearts, like Nephis song of redeeming love, and if it does die, then we have indeed stopped growing! Richards wrote, "Joseph also said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of Probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has.". Banned topics: [a] The Triumph and Glory of the Lamb: Doctrine and Covenants 76 in Its Historical Context I am eternally grateful for all of the doctrines that you and Julie and others you work with have been brave enough to bring forward to those of us who were so very ready to embrace higher truths through the spirit..Lucifer continues to whisper to me that I am a nobody, and why out of all the people on the earth would I be privileged to have knowledge that only a few believe and have currently? . This life is the time and the day of our probation. Details mapped state by state. Another George Laub journal entry on JS' Sermon In the Grove seems to confirm that this is how Laub understood it. The main topics are the levels, or ladder, of eternal progression and the end times servant otherwise known as the Davidic Servant. I have done as the Savior Himself declared to ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you (Luke 11:9). 2:43 p.m. John Thomas is conducting cross . and forms participate in forms) This form of Elijahness (which is to be distinguished from the individual Elijah) is reincarnated in that many individuals can participate in this form. In the 1840s their polygamous relationship to the Mormon prophet was as secret as his conversion to reincarnation. Thanks for sharing this interesting history. These secret teachings coincided with teachings by Joseph that either explicity stated or implied that previously resurrected beings, essentially from a prior earth, could interact with mortals on this earth. I couldn't find it. Eric, thank you so much for this wonderful essay. Do you have a direct link? And it speaks that our destination after this life, even if we come up short of the Glory of God could not possibly be our final destination for eternity.
Amazon.com: Eric J. Smith: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle How is it fair or reasonable that in our generation we are also to try to become perfect when our lives only last a mere 70-100 years, and we have to do it at a time when the earth has NEVER been more wicked?